Need, Greed, and DE
As an enchanter myself, I was originally annoyed that enchanters would be outted in a group by the DE button. On my warlock enchanter I used to not say anything, take the items I luckily greeded and DE’d them later. Once I was outted as a DE’r in the previous LFG system, it was like I got to have these mats waved in my face as I DE’d them and then watch them be given away, even if it was a fair roll that won it. Enchanting is a profession that requires other people to help me get my raw materials, and it felt both right and wrong that I’d give away these raw materials to those people who helped me. But I’ve tried it, and frankly, it’s a lot easier. Especially since most people aren’t needing things from UK or VH or HoL, unless they’re new, and then it goes to good use. And Abyssal Shatter? Holy crap, the amount of dust and essence I get from that is amazing. When I run out of mats I…go LFG some more. To get more abyss crystals. Which helps out people who want emblems, people who want abyss crystals for Berserking, and newly dinged 80s who want gear. Win-win, I think. I love the DE system now.
The Need & Greed/DE are apparently the problems. People who can wear more than one armor class are annoyed they can’t roll on clear upgrades because it’s not the highest armor class. They propose switching to a Main Spec / Off Spec / DE system OR letting Greed not share the same level as disenchanting.
That’s dumb. Don’t be a lazy tard, but look up what upgrades for you drop in a dungeon and ask if people will pass before the party gets started killing things. Really, is it so hard to do? If it’s a regular instance and somebody is vying for a piece you also are, offer to run it again so you both can get it. It happened all the time in ToC5 pugs because of the Black Heart or Mercy’s Hold. And people were nice about it! People would talk it out while rolling. Yes, the others who had no interest would pass if there was a DE’r present or roll greed if there wasn’t. Which becomes a problem now if you are stuck not being able to Need something. But…dude…you waited through all this trash and after the first boss before saying something? I might feel bad for DE’ing something you could have used, but I don’t feel horrible since you didn’t give any heads up that you wanted something.
When you ask for people to pass on a lower armor class for you, ask for a specific item. A resto shammy saying, “Hey, pass all leather/cloth pieces so I can look at them” is just begging for a ninja label. What, you want me to pass so at the last minute you can roll need/greed? PFFFFFFFFFFT.
My Comments on Comments
Also, some of my thoughts on some comments from BBB’s thread:
Myrx: * Make it impossible to vote-kick between the time that a boss fight starts, and the time that all loot from that boss is distributed.
This is a good idea. I personally haven’t been kicked or part of a kicking effort during a boss fight. I think I was in a group that kicked a guy because he zoned in afk and continued to be afk for five minutes. But there are nasty stories going on about being kicked like this. I can’t yet find a flaw within this. Readers, can you?
Myrx: * Allow toons with higher armor grades (Plate or Mail) to roll need on items of lower armor grades – but ONLY if a) it fits their current main spec, b) there are no toons present and rolling need who can only wear cloth (or leather, etc.).
He’s using his resto shammy as an example. Point A has one major flaw: out of combat, you can change your spec. So say an enhancement shammy contributes to killing a boss and notices a nice cloth healing piece drops. He switches his spec to his resto healing set, and thus can roll need, because it’s now his MAIN SPEC. And then he can beat out the priest or warlock or mage or whichever clothy actually wanted and could have used it in the spec they were performing.
You can’t make it so that you’re in combat while looting or just before looting, because then how will you resurrect people who die? A delay in changing your spec, maybe? Doesn’t sound really plausible to implement. The game takes notice of your “main spec” as that which you enter the fight as? I could see people starting the spec-switching cast just before entering combat as somebody else pulls. Unless entering combat could break the cast.
Point B has its problem too. What if you have an Enh shammy with a resto off-spec rolling against a Resto shammy who healed the fight? No toons of the cloth or leather restricted are present, so they both roll if the Enh switched into Resto for the loot roll? So the Main Spec Resto shammy can lose a healing piece to an Off Spec Resto shammy.
I think this could be solved better and more permanently by walking in saying, “Hey, I could use Tattered Glacial-Woven Hood for my resto set. If it drops, will you guys please pass if you don’t need it?” than lazily relying on game mechanics to fix people’s manners for you.
Ninja looting is not a disease of the game. It’s a disease of every game. Why? Because it’s a disease festered and spread by people, not by programming. Treating the game but not the people doesn’t solve anything. It’s like needing on Frozen Orbs. I greed. Even as I watch you needing it like a jerk, I’m pressing greed. Blizzard can’t “fix” it by defaulting Frozen Orbs to Greed, because then you WOULD see people being kicked just before the Orb gets looted. And then what, Orbs just won’t drop at all. Because the children won’t play nicely with each other.
Play nicely, people. That’s all the game really needs to be “fixed.”